Comments on: Lonnie Frisbee, the Most Influential Gay Christian in the Last Century https://anitamathias.com/2012/08/25/lonnie-frisbee-the-most-influential-gay-christian-in-the-last-century/ Anita Mathias's Blog on Faith and Art Sun, 12 Jan 2014 21:22:19 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9 By: Anita Mathias https://anitamathias.com/2012/08/25/lonnie-frisbee-the-most-influential-gay-christian-in-the-last-century/#comment-47629 Sun, 12 Jan 2014 21:22:19 +0000 http://anitamathias.com/blog/2012/08/25/lonnie-frisbee-the-most-influential-gay-christian-in-the-last-century/#comment-47629 In reply to Malcolm Byren.

But he is trying to conform to what he believes God requires of him, and there must be some blessing in that, however it turns out in the end?

]]> By: Malcolm Byren https://anitamathias.com/2012/08/25/lonnie-frisbee-the-most-influential-gay-christian-in-the-last-century/#comment-47585 Sun, 12 Jan 2014 20:04:22 +0000 http://anitamathias.com/blog/2012/08/25/lonnie-frisbee-the-most-influential-gay-christian-in-the-last-century/#comment-47585 Poor Simon is just kidding himself.He will remain a gay man to the end of his days.
It’s just a shame he can’t accept himself for who he is.His wife must be one sexually frustrated woman!.

]]> By: Anita Mathias https://anitamathias.com/2012/08/25/lonnie-frisbee-the-most-influential-gay-christian-in-the-last-century/#comment-18369 Mon, 27 Aug 2012 21:24:31 +0000 http://anitamathias.com/blog/2012/08/25/lonnie-frisbee-the-most-influential-gay-christian-in-the-last-century/#comment-18369 Sue, Yes, I know of disasters when gay people marry someone of the opposite gender because of their Christian beliefs. It's often tragic for both parties, IMO.

ENID, welcome to my blog. I didn't know you read it. It's true, Jesus would hang out with gays who feel condemned by the church; or women crushed by the abortion they feel they can never mention in Bible study. We must guard against the narrowing of the heart which Pharisaicism brings!!

]]> By: Anita Mathias https://anitamathias.com/2012/08/25/lonnie-frisbee-the-most-influential-gay-christian-in-the-last-century/#comment-18368 Mon, 27 Aug 2012 21:21:06 +0000 http://anitamathias.com/blog/2012/08/25/lonnie-frisbee-the-most-influential-gay-christian-in-the-last-century/#comment-18368 P.S. Anon, Lonnie Frisbee was raped at the age of 8 according to the online biographies I've read. So I guess both the gay or post-gay people I've mentioned in this post had sexuality rooted in trauma.

A gay Christian psychotherapist I know, Rev. Canon Dr. Beau Stevenson has written a paper http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/pdf/Beaumont%20Stevenson%20Healing%20by%20Paradox%20in%20the%20Christian%20Tradition.x.pdf
about how the mind deals with trauma such as rape and abuse by taking it and making it a positive. So the raped woman might become a submissive; the raped man, homosexual.

Just his theory!

]]> By: Enid Butler https://anitamathias.com/2012/08/25/lonnie-frisbee-the-most-influential-gay-christian-in-the-last-century/#comment-18367 Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:09:27 +0000 http://anitamathias.com/blog/2012/08/25/lonnie-frisbee-the-most-influential-gay-christian-in-the-last-century/#comment-18367 Thank you Anita for having the courage to compare homosexuality to gossip or drunkenness or unforgiveness. I saw a post recently that said, “Don't judge me because I sin differently than you.” I think the Christian focus has become much to pinpointed to the “major” sins and giving everyone a pass on the “minor” ones. We need to be careful that we don't become the older brother in the tale of the prodigal son. I know I have been both the prodigal and the other brother. If Jesus were alive today, He would be hanging out with all of “those people” we in the church think we are better than. I could go on and on but I will stop with a “bravo” to you for stepping out and giving such a balanced account of what I consider an important truth.

]]> By: Suem https://anitamathias.com/2012/08/25/lonnie-frisbee-the-most-influential-gay-christian-in-the-last-century/#comment-18366 Mon, 27 Aug 2012 09:17:18 +0000 http://anitamathias.com/blog/2012/08/25/lonnie-frisbee-the-most-influential-gay-christian-in-the-last-century/#comment-18366 Anonymous wrote: “Perhaps the great turmoil men like Frisbee undergo is because they are convinced by the evangelical template/mindset that they need to deny their sexuality.”

I do agree with that. Of the many LGBT people I know (through involvement in Changing Attitude, Courage and the Gay Christian Network) some are celibate, others in relationships and others have married – and a good number of those have then found they should never have married anyway and have divorced and formed same sex relationships.

The happiest people in these organisations seems to me to be those who came to terms with their sexuality in time and choose to have committed same sex relationships. That does not mean that LGBT people in other situations or describing other experiences do not deserve and need support and affirmation as well though – they very much do.

]]> By: Anita Mathias https://anitamathias.com/2012/08/25/lonnie-frisbee-the-most-influential-gay-christian-in-the-last-century/#comment-18365 Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:56:04 +0000 http://anitamathias.com/blog/2012/08/25/lonnie-frisbee-the-most-influential-gay-christian-in-the-last-century/#comment-18365 Anon. Thanks.
Lonnie Frisbee birthed two movements….perhaps God was making a statement here?
Yes, indeed.

“Whilst this article makes helpful comparison with other 'sin'”

The “sin” I was referring to was the promiscuous, casual sex on Saturday nights before preaching on Sunday. And then I tried to work out why God might have blessed his preaching anyway.

]]> By: Anonymous https://anitamathias.com/2012/08/25/lonnie-frisbee-the-most-influential-gay-christian-in-the-last-century/#comment-18364 Sun, 26 Aug 2012 23:29:35 +0000 http://anitamathias.com/blog/2012/08/25/lonnie-frisbee-the-most-influential-gay-christian-in-the-last-century/#comment-18364 Perhaps the great turmoil men like Frisbee undergo is because they are convinced by the evangelical template/mindset that they need to deny their sexuality. Authentic Homosexuality is not a choice…to therefore deny it is to state that God made a mistake…or lots of mistakes. Perhaps, also, it may be helpful to avoid the stereotypical examples of those who have had abusive beginnings as reason for particular sexuality. Interesting how we tend to reinterpret scripture to suit our bias. So much in scripture we bypass because it is so beyond our cultural view…hats…women…eating habits…nocturnal emissions…etc…yet we continue on favorite roundabouts without really addressing the issues. I am not gay…but recognize that we have done great disservice to those who are through no choice. Whilst this article makes helpful comparison with other 'sin' it still follows the well worn track of cliche and sound bites the evangelical ''right' like to travel without addressing the interpretational / contextual aspects of scripture as we so readily do in other areas…(women for example). Lonnie Frisbee birthed two movements….perhaps God was making a statement here?

]]> By: Miss Mollie https://anitamathias.com/2012/08/25/lonnie-frisbee-the-most-influential-gay-christian-in-the-last-century/#comment-18363 Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:33:04 +0000 http://anitamathias.com/blog/2012/08/25/lonnie-frisbee-the-most-influential-gay-christian-in-the-last-century/#comment-18363 I was half joking about the book. In the picture, though, he does look like Brad Pitt and I think as an actor, he could get the conflict.
Interesting in church today we had a couple named Mathias leaving for the mission field. She is a professor and he is a librarian. Two small girls. Our sermon was on grace from John 8. The songs had to do with breaking chains, giving our all to Jesus and of course, Amazing Grace. I thought of you the whole time.

]]> By: Anita Mathias https://anitamathias.com/2012/08/25/lonnie-frisbee-the-most-influential-gay-christian-in-the-last-century/#comment-18362 Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:38:08 +0000 http://anitamathias.com/blog/2012/08/25/lonnie-frisbee-the-most-influential-gay-christian-in-the-last-century/#comment-18362 Thanks, everyone. Yes, I think Lonnie's story is really heart-breaking. Mollie, was just thinking of another post on Lonnie, not a book. There is a good documentary out on his life.

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