Comments on: Honesty Is the Narrow Gate to the Spiritual Life: Learning from My Daughter, Irene https://anitamathias.com/2015/09/03/honesty-is-the-narrow-gate-to-the-spiritual-life-learning-from-my-daughter-irene/ Anita Mathias's Blog on Faith and Art Mon, 07 Sep 2015 17:05:49 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: Peter https://anitamathias.com/2015/09/03/honesty-is-the-narrow-gate-to-the-spiritual-life-learning-from-my-daughter-irene/#comment-63296 Mon, 07 Sep 2015 17:05:49 +0000 http://anitamathias.com/?p=64780#comment-63296 In reply to Anita Mathias.

Thank you for replying

I appreciate your answer and I although I believe God can use anyone to speak a word to us it seems to me there are some people who seem to have a quality of relationship that they seem to hear from him more consistently.

I do not think that any particular method qualifies someone to do this .

I think someone who maintains a healthy relationship with God and is open to be used by Him can speak words into ones life that an bring change

Like you I have no real knowledge of liebusters and felt a little “english” about raising my concerns.

They are certainly enough to stop me going to David;s tent again so I would like if possible to understand some if the points I mentioned in my first post.

I suppose I could write directly to liebusters and ask them if they believe it possible to get the level of detail into ones ancestry that a friend of mine claimed they had.

I am a middle class profesional . I have been in christian groups , often where a lot of the people who went were ex homeless and strapped for cash.

So the other question I have would be how they would deal with someone with no income if the wanted a liebusting exercise.

So at least I have formalised the two questions I would ask,

For some reason I have no “peace” about asking them these two questions straight out I would like to know not just for idle curiosity.

I would not attend David’s tent again without having this bottomed out.

Anyways in your kind reply you mentioned you are no really an expert on this maybe someone who is might read this and answer.

all the best

Peter

]]> By: Anita Mathias https://anitamathias.com/2015/09/03/honesty-is-the-narrow-gate-to-the-spiritual-life-learning-from-my-daughter-irene/#comment-63295 Mon, 07 Sep 2015 16:20:22 +0000 http://anitamathias.com/?p=64780#comment-63295 In reply to Peter.

Not really an expert on Liebusters. Went through one session at David’s Tent out of curiosity, and found it good. Helpful. Cathartic. I would recommend it, though I obviously haven’t done so publicly so far, as I don’t yet know enough about the ministry. I guess like all one on one ministry, such as prophetic words, the ministry is only as good as the minister you get.
The liesbuster session I went through at David’s Tent was free.
Here is a link to the liebuster website http://www.liebusters.org/get_lie_busted. If you play around, it describes the process of becoming a liebuster.
My husband had a Liebuster session with the founder, Jonathan Cavan, while at David’s Tent, and was impressed with him and it.

]]> By: Peter https://anitamathias.com/2015/09/03/honesty-is-the-narrow-gate-to-the-spiritual-life-learning-from-my-daughter-irene/#comment-63294 Mon, 07 Sep 2015 15:43:07 +0000 http://anitamathias.com/?p=64780#comment-63294 A friend of mine attended a liebuster session and she told me that she was told “there is a curse on your family form the 16th century. This curse has meant you have never been able to make money”

I have no idea if what she told me was true or not.

I have been to David’s tent twice before and really enjoyed it.

It is a bit hard for me to comment on something that a friend of mine told me as for al I know someone who had been through the lisbuster training would never say this.

I am a little worried though incase what she told be was exactly true ans a “liebuster” might say this type of thing.

I would like to know if that indeed is the kind of thing that might be said to someone , I am also unsure of how someone becomes a liebuster.

My impression is that you pay to do a course and become a liebuster and that liebusters charge money for what they do

I am quite concerned about this as twice before at David’s tent and this time I left early as I am “concerned” about what my friend told me, I am also unsure what happens for someone who does not have any money to pay for this service,

Anyways I have really enjoyed David’s tent before but I will not go again until or if my questions are resolved.

I have no idea how I would do that

All the best

Peter

]]> By: Anita Mathias https://anitamathias.com/2015/09/03/honesty-is-the-narrow-gate-to-the-spiritual-life-learning-from-my-daughter-irene/#comment-63287 Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:35:03 +0000 http://anitamathias.com/?p=64780#comment-63287 In reply to clare.

Thanks Clare 🙂

]]> By: Anita Mathias https://anitamathias.com/2015/09/03/honesty-is-the-narrow-gate-to-the-spiritual-life-learning-from-my-daughter-irene/#comment-63286 Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:34:30 +0000 http://anitamathias.com/?p=64780#comment-63286 In reply to Elizabeth Jones.

How lovely to hear an audible voice. I never have, but have heard clear-as-crystal sentences which have changed the direction of my life.
Lovely to hear from you again, Elizabeth!

]]> By: clare https://anitamathias.com/2015/09/03/honesty-is-the-narrow-gate-to-the-spiritual-life-learning-from-my-daughter-irene/#comment-63285 Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:30:35 +0000 http://anitamathias.com/?p=64780#comment-63285 Oh Anita! Lovely honesty about the different reactions people have to that kind of question! 🙂 I wouldn’t dare – or think I should – sign my kids up to anything, when they were kids! There are different ways of parenting … and different kids – and God works individually, and differently, with everyone. Keep going along the path …

]]> By: Elizabeth Jones https://anitamathias.com/2015/09/03/honesty-is-the-narrow-gate-to-the-spiritual-life-learning-from-my-daughter-irene/#comment-63284 Fri, 04 Sep 2015 03:35:25 +0000 http://anitamathias.com/?p=64780#comment-63284 Thanks so much for this heartening message. Irene is so right when she said, “I heard God loads, mum, in words, and in pictures too. Mainly pictures.”

You remind me of the several times in my life when I heard God talk to me in an audible voice. All were wonderful experiences. All pretty nuts-and-bolts type of things that God said, too. Nothing “mountain-toppy.” But, that’s okay.

And, I hear God from time to time in pictures, too! I am SO happy for Irene. What a wonderful gift. @chaplaineliza

]]> By: Anita Mathias https://anitamathias.com/2015/09/03/honesty-is-the-narrow-gate-to-the-spiritual-life-learning-from-my-daughter-irene/#comment-63282 Thu, 03 Sep 2015 13:56:13 +0000 http://anitamathias.com/?p=64780#comment-63282 In reply to martin.

Martin, thank you indeed!

]]> By: martin https://anitamathias.com/2015/09/03/honesty-is-the-narrow-gate-to-the-spiritual-life-learning-from-my-daughter-irene/#comment-63281 Thu, 03 Sep 2015 13:12:52 +0000 http://anitamathias.com/?p=64780#comment-63281 John 4:23-24 New King James Version (NKJV)

23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

I so agree with you, David was always honest with God and poured out his heart. One of the groups of people God hates are those who lie … God is truth so we can only communicate when we are speaking in the spirit of truth. Even if we are hopping mad we still need to speak to God and discuss our emotions with Him. Thank you for your very beautiful truth which you shared with us.

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