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		By: Katrina Green		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anitamathias.com/2014/09/23/christians-behave-badly-seedlings-saplings-gods-kingdom/#comment-61919&quot;&gt;Don&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you Don, for that link. There is such helpful advice on the website, which I have found invaluable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anitamathias.com/2014/09/23/christians-behave-badly-seedlings-saplings-gods-kingdom/#comment-61919">Don</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you Don, for that link. There is such helpful advice on the website, which I have found invaluable.</p>
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		By: Don		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anitamathias.com/2014/09/23/christians-behave-badly-seedlings-saplings-gods-kingdom/#comment-61914&quot;&gt;Anita Mathias&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry, I misspelled the name. John and Paula Sandford have written many books. The best known of these have now been reorganized into a four volume &quot;Transformation series&quot;, starting with &quot;Transforming the Inner Man&quot; ( http://www.elijahhouse.org/products/product-1/Transforming%20the%20Inner%20Man). I am pretty sure that you wouldn&#039;t get as much out of reading the books as you would by attending one of the Elijah House schools. Probably there&#039;s a branch of Elijah House in England. One of the principles I learned from them is that merely knowing about something doesn&#039;t actually empower you to put it in practice. You need the ministry of the Spirit, and frequently that comes from spending time with the people who can impart an anointing in that area. People trained by Elijah House can help you respond to what the Lord is saying about your specific concerns. I have been on both the receiving and the giving end of lots of ministry like this and know that it is powerful!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anitamathias.com/2014/09/23/christians-behave-badly-seedlings-saplings-gods-kingdom/#comment-61914">Anita Mathias</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry, I misspelled the name. John and Paula Sandford have written many books. The best known of these have now been reorganized into a four volume &#8220;Transformation series&#8221;, starting with &#8220;Transforming the Inner Man&#8221; ( <a href="http://www.elijahhouse.org/products/product-1/Transforming%20the%20Inner%20Man" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.elijahhouse.org/products/product-1/Transforming%20the%20Inner%20Man</a>). I am pretty sure that you wouldn&#8217;t get as much out of reading the books as you would by attending one of the Elijah House schools. Probably there&#8217;s a branch of Elijah House in England. One of the principles I learned from them is that merely knowing about something doesn&#8217;t actually empower you to put it in practice. You need the ministry of the Spirit, and frequently that comes from spending time with the people who can impart an anointing in that area. People trained by Elijah House can help you respond to what the Lord is saying about your specific concerns. I have been on both the receiving and the giving end of lots of ministry like this and know that it is powerful!</p>
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		By: Anita Mathias		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2014 13:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anitamathias.com/2014/09/23/christians-behave-badly-seedlings-saplings-gods-kingdom/#comment-61855&quot;&gt;Don&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you, Don for this deep and thoughtful comment.
Can you recommend a book or books by the Sanfords for me to read?
&quot;Most Christians do not know how to identify and then to ask God to access the roots of their problems, and so they end up continually hacking off the branches and stems of the weeds that spring up.&quot; I have been realising that &quot;God keeps you in kindergarten till you&#039;ve learned the lessons.&quot; That we go around in recurrent circles until we deal with the roots of whatever causes problems and stumbling in our lives. And, sadly, sometimes we don&#039;t even know what the roots are. That is true in my case when it comes to emotional eating, a habit I&#039;ve coming closer to breaking, but haven&#039;t yet, very sadly. It&#039;s still-- stress, sadness, chaos=chocolate, or whatever. I don&#039;t know what the roots are, or if there are spiritual roots, or if it&#039;s merely a bad habit. I suspect there are spiritual roots, since it is a habit which has wide-ranging negative implications!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anitamathias.com/2014/09/23/christians-behave-badly-seedlings-saplings-gods-kingdom/#comment-61855">Don</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you, Don for this deep and thoughtful comment.<br />
Can you recommend a book or books by the Sanfords for me to read?<br />
&#8220;Most Christians do not know how to identify and then to ask God to access the roots of their problems, and so they end up continually hacking off the branches and stems of the weeds that spring up.&#8221; I have been realising that &#8220;God keeps you in kindergarten till you&#8217;ve learned the lessons.&#8221; That we go around in recurrent circles until we deal with the roots of whatever causes problems and stumbling in our lives. And, sadly, sometimes we don&#8217;t even know what the roots are. That is true in my case when it comes to emotional eating, a habit I&#8217;ve coming closer to breaking, but haven&#8217;t yet, very sadly. It&#8217;s still&#8211; stress, sadness, chaos=chocolate, or whatever. I don&#8217;t know what the roots are, or if there are spiritual roots, or if it&#8217;s merely a bad habit. I suspect there are spiritual roots, since it is a habit which has wide-ranging negative implications!</p>
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		By: Anita Mathias		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anita Mathias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2014 14:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anitamathias.com/2014/09/23/christians-behave-badly-seedlings-saplings-gods-kingdom/#comment-61887&quot;&gt;Allie&lt;/a&gt;.

Absolutely. When I was younger, I thought the best of people if they were believers. Now what people say or think they believe does not hugely sway my assessment of them. I ask myself, &quot;Are they good people? Do they have a good heart?&quot; I have known Bible-mad people with cold, mean hearts, and people with kind, lovely hearts who are barely Christian, or not Christian at all. 
The therapist Viktor Frankl said there were two races of men, the decent and the indecent, the swine and the saints (his phraseology!) and perhaps that is more relevant than what people say they believe!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anitamathias.com/2014/09/23/christians-behave-badly-seedlings-saplings-gods-kingdom/#comment-61887">Allie</a>.</p>
<p>Absolutely. When I was younger, I thought the best of people if they were believers. Now what people say or think they believe does not hugely sway my assessment of them. I ask myself, &#8220;Are they good people? Do they have a good heart?&#8221; I have known Bible-mad people with cold, mean hearts, and people with kind, lovely hearts who are barely Christian, or not Christian at all.<br />
The therapist Viktor Frankl said there were two races of men, the decent and the indecent, the swine and the saints (his phraseology!) and perhaps that is more relevant than what people say they believe!</p>
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		By: Allie		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know some lovely people who don&#039;t have a faith yet consistently behave with love and kindness towards others.
I have also encountered Christians whose behaviour was cold, judgmental and unkind ... I think C. S. Lewis wrote that when people come to Christ their basic personality is not suddenly changed, but the process of becoming like Him continues from then on. Some make greater/faster progress than others, and some fall by the wayside as the parable of the sower demonstrates.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know some lovely people who don&#8217;t have a faith yet consistently behave with love and kindness towards others.<br />
I have also encountered Christians whose behaviour was cold, judgmental and unkind &#8230; I think C. S. Lewis wrote that when people come to Christ their basic personality is not suddenly changed, but the process of becoming like Him continues from then on. Some make greater/faster progress than others, and some fall by the wayside as the parable of the sower demonstrates.</p>
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		By: Don		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2014 17:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s sad, but not surprising, to see Christians behaving in un-Christlike ways. When we first believe in Jesus, that&#039;s just the beginning of the process of becoming like Him. As for me, the Lord brought me to devastating circumstances, resulting from my own foolishness. As a result, I could finally begin to recognize my own sinful heart. As I struggled with the consequences, he led me eventually to many biblically sound teachings by the Sanfords (Elijah House), Leanne Payne, etc., and I became aware of significant root issues originating from my childhood: inner vows, bitterness, judgments, dishonoring of parents, etc. These &quot;roots of bitterness&quot; simply needed the right circumstances to be triggered, whereupon they &quot;sprang up to defile others&quot;. If it hadn&#039;t been for such teachings of the Sanfords, I would be struggling even more with becoming like Jesus. I suspect that most Christians do not know how to identify and then to ask God to access the roots of their problems, and so they end up continually hacking off the branches and stems of the weeds that spring up. As any gardener knows, weeds keep coming back until you pull them up by the roots.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sad, but not surprising, to see Christians behaving in un-Christlike ways. When we first believe in Jesus, that&#8217;s just the beginning of the process of becoming like Him. As for me, the Lord brought me to devastating circumstances, resulting from my own foolishness. As a result, I could finally begin to recognize my own sinful heart. As I struggled with the consequences, he led me eventually to many biblically sound teachings by the Sanfords (Elijah House), Leanne Payne, etc., and I became aware of significant root issues originating from my childhood: inner vows, bitterness, judgments, dishonoring of parents, etc. These &#8220;roots of bitterness&#8221; simply needed the right circumstances to be triggered, whereupon they &#8220;sprang up to defile others&#8221;. If it hadn&#8217;t been for such teachings of the Sanfords, I would be struggling even more with becoming like Jesus. I suspect that most Christians do not know how to identify and then to ask God to access the roots of their problems, and so they end up continually hacking off the branches and stems of the weeds that spring up. As any gardener knows, weeds keep coming back until you pull them up by the roots.</p>
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		By: Anita Mathias		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anita Mathias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2014 13:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anitamathias.com/2014/09/23/christians-behave-badly-seedlings-saplings-gods-kingdom/#comment-61845&quot;&gt;Katrina Green&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, we are all on a journey. And while I am very aware that I myself am on a journey, I unconsciously expect everyone to have arrived, especially leaders, and go through a little &quot;What you are not perfect?&quot; period of astonishment when their bad behaviour astonishes me!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anitamathias.com/2014/09/23/christians-behave-badly-seedlings-saplings-gods-kingdom/#comment-61845">Katrina Green</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, we are all on a journey. And while I am very aware that I myself am on a journey, I unconsciously expect everyone to have arrived, especially leaders, and go through a little &#8220;What you are not perfect?&#8221; period of astonishment when their bad behaviour astonishes me!</p>
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		By: Katrina Green		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great opening onto an important subject, Anita. I&#039;ve taken my share of hurt from those who should seemingly know better. It&#039;s not easy to do, but I&#039;ve just been reading about how we also have a responsibility of gently helping another Christian who is tangled in a sin.  They may be going through a particularly tough season of fighting and need a fellow-soldier by their side. I guess their behaviour might also be a cry for understanding. I speak as the limping battle-worn, who has flung a few weapons down in frustration in my time! And sadly, many of us are unaware that we&#039;re in a battle at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great opening onto an important subject, Anita. I&#8217;ve taken my share of hurt from those who should seemingly know better. It&#8217;s not easy to do, but I&#8217;ve just been reading about how we also have a responsibility of gently helping another Christian who is tangled in a sin.  They may be going through a particularly tough season of fighting and need a fellow-soldier by their side. I guess their behaviour might also be a cry for understanding. I speak as the limping battle-worn, who has flung a few weapons down in frustration in my time! And sadly, many of us are unaware that we&#8217;re in a battle at all.</p>
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		By: Wednesday Festival: Welcoming Seasons &#124; RevGalBlogPals		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] At Dreaming Beneath the Spires, Anita offers a very pastoral reflection on Christians behaving badly and the grace with which we [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		By: Anita Mathias		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anita Mathias]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anitamathias.com/2014/09/23/christians-behave-badly-seedlings-saplings-gods-kingdom/#comment-61839&quot;&gt;Dave Malnes&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;We are told to remain in Christ – by being connected to the vine. By doing so, we can’t help but to grow into trees and bear fruit.&quot;
Yes! I like that--it&#039;s so reassuring!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anitamathias.com/2014/09/23/christians-behave-badly-seedlings-saplings-gods-kingdom/#comment-61839">Dave Malnes</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;We are told to remain in Christ – by being connected to the vine. By doing so, we can’t help but to grow into trees and bear fruit.&#8221;<br />
Yes! I like that&#8211;it&#8217;s so reassuring!</p>
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