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		By: Anita Mathias		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anita Mathias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2014 18:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anitamathias.com/2014/07/03/scoundrels-scandals-ruffians-ragamuffins-kingdom-advances/#comment-60961&quot;&gt;Anna&lt;/a&gt;.

So glad you liked it, Anna!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anitamathias.com/2014/07/03/scoundrels-scandals-ruffians-ragamuffins-kingdom-advances/#comment-60961">Anna</a>.</p>
<p>So glad you liked it, Anna!</p>
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		By: Anna		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2014 11:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great post, Anita!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Anita!</p>
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		By: Anita Mathias		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anita Mathias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2014 11:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anitamathias.com/2014/07/03/scoundrels-scandals-ruffians-ragamuffins-kingdom-advances/#comment-60924&quot;&gt;Gail Daniels&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, I am sure it is just childishness on our parts to expect our preachers or Christian leaders who have inspired us to be perfect--and I know I often fall prey to that childishness myself, feeling deeply shocked when someone I have respected or been inspired by is revealed to have particularly egregious feet of clay.

Perhaps if we focus on God and just see Bakker etc as flutes through which the music of God is played we would feel less shocked and even wounded by the fall of our preachers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anitamathias.com/2014/07/03/scoundrels-scandals-ruffians-ragamuffins-kingdom-advances/#comment-60924">Gail Daniels</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, I am sure it is just childishness on our parts to expect our preachers or Christian leaders who have inspired us to be perfect&#8211;and I know I often fall prey to that childishness myself, feeling deeply shocked when someone I have respected or been inspired by is revealed to have particularly egregious feet of clay.</p>
<p>Perhaps if we focus on God and just see Bakker etc as flutes through which the music of God is played we would feel less shocked and even wounded by the fall of our preachers.</p>
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		By: Marcy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marcy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2014 03:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anitamathias.com/2014/07/03/scoundrels-scandals-ruffians-ragamuffins-kingdom-advances/#comment-60893&quot;&gt;Anita Mathias&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;They have developed their intellect, or Bible knowledge or teaching or writing gifts at the expense of emotional health, or healthy relationships, or common humanity.&quot;

YES!

Nouwen&#039;s little book In the Name of Jesus says something along these lines -- that those who are so absorbed in the heady world of thoughts and ideas are vulnerable to carnal sin. I&#039;m sure that is not the only direction the error / imbalance can lie.  

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2520.In_the_Name_of_Jesus]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anitamathias.com/2014/07/03/scoundrels-scandals-ruffians-ragamuffins-kingdom-advances/#comment-60893">Anita Mathias</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;They have developed their intellect, or Bible knowledge or teaching or writing gifts at the expense of emotional health, or healthy relationships, or common humanity.&#8221;</p>
<p>YES!</p>
<p>Nouwen&#8217;s little book In the Name of Jesus says something along these lines &#8212; that those who are so absorbed in the heady world of thoughts and ideas are vulnerable to carnal sin. I&#8217;m sure that is not the only direction the error / imbalance can lie.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2520.In_the_Name_of_Jesus" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2520.In_the_Name_of_Jesus</a></p>
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		By: Gail Daniels		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gail Daniels]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2014 15:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Anita, how true this is - I actually came to know that Jesus saves while living in Bermuda and watching the PTL Club on American TV channels.   Jim Bakker and his wife ended up in a scandal about air-conditioned dog kennels and much other money wasting rubbish, but I know I was saved through their teaching, and firmly believe in the lessons they taught.  

I believe that it is hard to criticise those that give up their lives to teaching the Word of God and the available salvation given freely through God&#039;s grace and Jesus&#039; sacrifice, as they, above all, are in line to be attacked by the evil one, unlike those of us living safe comfortable lives.  

I watched sadly at the media glee at the fall of these leaders, as I did at Jimmy Swaggart&#039;s demise.  But as Jesus himself said, &quot;Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.&quot;  and I am sure I am not resistant to the feeble little temptations I get in my own life, and try to remember to rely entirely on the Holy Spirit for strength and guidance.

Thanks again for your interesting blog.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anita, how true this is &#8211; I actually came to know that Jesus saves while living in Bermuda and watching the PTL Club on American TV channels.   Jim Bakker and his wife ended up in a scandal about air-conditioned dog kennels and much other money wasting rubbish, but I know I was saved through their teaching, and firmly believe in the lessons they taught.  </p>
<p>I believe that it is hard to criticise those that give up their lives to teaching the Word of God and the available salvation given freely through God&#8217;s grace and Jesus&#8217; sacrifice, as they, above all, are in line to be attacked by the evil one, unlike those of us living safe comfortable lives.  </p>
<p>I watched sadly at the media glee at the fall of these leaders, as I did at Jimmy Swaggart&#8217;s demise.  But as Jesus himself said, &#8220;Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.&#8221;  and I am sure I am not resistant to the feeble little temptations I get in my own life, and try to remember to rely entirely on the Holy Spirit for strength and guidance.</p>
<p>Thanks again for your interesting blog.</p>
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		By: Anita Mathias		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anita Mathias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2014 07:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anitamathias.com/2014/07/03/scoundrels-scandals-ruffians-ragamuffins-kingdom-advances/#comment-60901&quot;&gt;Lilly Vasanthini&lt;/a&gt;.

So glad you liked it, Lilly!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anitamathias.com/2014/07/03/scoundrels-scandals-ruffians-ragamuffins-kingdom-advances/#comment-60901">Lilly Vasanthini</a>.</p>
<p>So glad you liked it, Lilly!</p>
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		By: Lilly Vasanthini		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lilly Vasanthini]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2014 05:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A really good post Anita..  Reading it almost thrice.. Took me back to...

Matthew 7:3

&quot;Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother&#039;s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

Lovely thought to ponder on the whole day]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A really good post Anita..  Reading it almost thrice.. Took me back to&#8230;</p>
<p>Matthew 7:3</p>
<p>&#8220;Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother&#8217;s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?</p>
<p>Lovely thought to ponder on the whole day</p>
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		By: Anita Mathias		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anita Mathias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anitamathias.com/2014/07/03/scoundrels-scandals-ruffians-ragamuffins-kingdom-advances/#comment-60890&quot;&gt;mari howard&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s hypocrisy that gets me. Jesus railed against that more than against any sin!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anitamathias.com/2014/07/03/scoundrels-scandals-ruffians-ragamuffins-kingdom-advances/#comment-60890">mari howard</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hypocrisy that gets me. Jesus railed against that more than against any sin!</p>
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		By: Anita Mathias		</title>
		<link>https://anitamathias.com/2014/07/03/scoundrels-scandals-ruffians-ragamuffins-kingdom-advances/#comment-60894</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anita Mathias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anitamathias.com/2014/07/03/scoundrels-scandals-ruffians-ragamuffins-kingdom-advances/#comment-60892&quot;&gt;Marcy&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, we are all flawed, and the Kingdom advances despite, around, above, and sometimes even through us. Thanks for commenting, Marcy!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anitamathias.com/2014/07/03/scoundrels-scandals-ruffians-ragamuffins-kingdom-advances/#comment-60892">Marcy</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, we are all flawed, and the Kingdom advances despite, around, above, and sometimes even through us. Thanks for commenting, Marcy!</p>
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		By: Anita Mathias		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anita Mathias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2014 16:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anitamathias.com/2014/07/03/scoundrels-scandals-ruffians-ragamuffins-kingdom-advances/#comment-60891&quot;&gt;Bev Murrill&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks, Bev. I have long been puzzled by seriously flawed, seriously gifted Christian leaders. I think the weakness is the mirror image of their strength. They have developed their intellect, or Bible knowledge or teaching or writing gifts at the expense of emotional health, or healthy relationships, or common humanity.
It&#039;s amazing that you learned what not to do by watching the &quot;rogues and ruffians.&quot; I have often observed that churches take on the colouration and weaknesses of their leaders...
I almost didn&#039;t want to write this post, but in the current Gothard scandal, I was impressed by how many people quietly say their lives and families have been changed through his teaching. I myself have long thought bits of his teaching were toxic, in being overly hierarchical.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anitamathias.com/2014/07/03/scoundrels-scandals-ruffians-ragamuffins-kingdom-advances/#comment-60891">Bev Murrill</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks, Bev. I have long been puzzled by seriously flawed, seriously gifted Christian leaders. I think the weakness is the mirror image of their strength. They have developed their intellect, or Bible knowledge or teaching or writing gifts at the expense of emotional health, or healthy relationships, or common humanity.<br />
It&#8217;s amazing that you learned what not to do by watching the &#8220;rogues and ruffians.&#8221; I have often observed that churches take on the colouration and weaknesses of their leaders&#8230;<br />
I almost didn&#8217;t want to write this post, but in the current Gothard scandal, I was impressed by how many people quietly say their lives and families have been changed through his teaching. I myself have long thought bits of his teaching were toxic, in being overly hierarchical.</p>
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