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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anitamathias.com/2012/10/09/in-which-i-trace-my-evolving-views-on-gay-christians/#comment-18611&quot;&gt;Theelvesareheadingwest.com&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks so much!]]></description>
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<p>Thanks so much!</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Love the point about making peace with our frailty and limitations !!]]></description>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Another post on this subject was Christians, Quit being so Oppositional, inspired by the Chik-fil-A controversy, and In which I trace my evolving views on Gay Christians. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Another post on this subject was Christians, Quit being so Oppositional, inspired by the Chik-fil-A controversy, and In which I trace my evolving views on Gay Christians. [&#8230;]</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Anita Mathias of Dreaming Beneath the Spires &#8220;The willingness to fail. The willingness to take risks. The willingness to try something new, even if it is far below your usual standards. These are all essential elements of creativity.And they keep blogging easy, pleasant and a joy, rather than one more self-imposed chore.&#8221; I adore Anita&#8217;s love of language, of writing, and of Jesus, and her impassioned views on the church and many of the social issues and values on which members of the body of Christ are at variance.  She challenges me to be a better writer and offers thoughtful, alternative perspectives on current issues.  Case in point:  In Which I Trace My Evolving Views on Gay Christians. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Anita Mathias of Dreaming Beneath the Spires &#8220;The willingness to fail. The willingness to take risks. The willingness to try something new, even if it is far below your usual standards. These are all essential elements of creativity.And they keep blogging easy, pleasant and a joy, rather than one more self-imposed chore.&#8221; I adore Anita&#8217;s love of language, of writing, and of Jesus, and her impassioned views on the church and many of the social issues and values on which members of the body of Christ are at variance.  She challenges me to be a better writer and offers thoughtful, alternative perspectives on current issues.  Case in point:  In Which I Trace My Evolving Views on Gay Christians. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Anita Mathias		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2012 21:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anitamathias.com/2012/10/09/in-which-i-trace-my-evolving-views-on-gay-christians/#comment-18605&quot;&gt;LA&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Whenever Paul and the Gospels are in conflict, I always err on the side of the Gospels&quot;

Yes, I think the Gospels do trump the rest of Scripture. In fact, people often take other parts of Scripture to trump what Jesus says when it&#039;s too challenging. For instance, I was was once teaching on the Rich Fool, and Jesus telling us it&#039;s safe not to have storehouses or barns because our heavenly father will provide for us, and the consensus of the group was, &quot;But Proverbs say its good to save.&quot; 

My current Bible study group was looking at the clever things Jesus said after his parable of the dishonest steward, and they honestly said they didn&#039;t believe Jesus when he said things like &quot;Give and you shall receive.&quot; (It only works in the West, they said.) I was so impressed with their honesty, though slightly taken aback that they didn&#039;t believe Jesus. 

But I guess no one (including I myself) really believes him when he says, &quot;Blessed are the poor,&quot; or we would make sure we were poor! 

Ooh, wandering off-topic!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anitamathias.com/2012/10/09/in-which-i-trace-my-evolving-views-on-gay-christians/#comment-18605">LA</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Whenever Paul and the Gospels are in conflict, I always err on the side of the Gospels&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, I think the Gospels do trump the rest of Scripture. In fact, people often take other parts of Scripture to trump what Jesus says when it&#8217;s too challenging. For instance, I was was once teaching on the Rich Fool, and Jesus telling us it&#8217;s safe not to have storehouses or barns because our heavenly father will provide for us, and the consensus of the group was, &#8220;But Proverbs say its good to save.&#8221; </p>
<p>My current Bible study group was looking at the clever things Jesus said after his parable of the dishonest steward, and they honestly said they didn&#8217;t believe Jesus when he said things like &#8220;Give and you shall receive.&#8221; (It only works in the West, they said.) I was so impressed with their honesty, though slightly taken aback that they didn&#8217;t believe Jesus. </p>
<p>But I guess no one (including I myself) really believes him when he says, &#8220;Blessed are the poor,&#8221; or we would make sure we were poor! </p>
<p>Ooh, wandering off-topic!!</p>
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		By: LA		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anitamathias.com/2012/10/09/in-which-i-trace-my-evolving-views-on-gay-christians/#comment-18604&quot;&gt;Anita Mathias&lt;/a&gt;.

I once commented on a blog written by a seminarian that whenever Paul and the Gospels are in conflict, I always err on the side of the Gospels.  Now, they&#039;re not generally in conflict over facts, but they simply don&#039;t always read the same.  The seminarian told me that Paul is never in conflict with the Gospels, that Paul has a more complete understanding of the Kingdom than the Gospels portray.  I asked bluntly if he felt that Paul&#039;s writings trumped the Gospels and he said &quot;Paul &#039;completes&#039; what Jesus started in the Gospels&quot;.  I found that very interesting.  In your evangelical circles, do you ever hear this assertion?  

For me, I agree wholeheartedly with you that we must read through the lens of Jesus&#039; commandment of love and it sharpens the focus on the rest of the Scriptures.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anitamathias.com/2012/10/09/in-which-i-trace-my-evolving-views-on-gay-christians/#comment-18604">Anita Mathias</a>.</p>
<p>I once commented on a blog written by a seminarian that whenever Paul and the Gospels are in conflict, I always err on the side of the Gospels.  Now, they&#8217;re not generally in conflict over facts, but they simply don&#8217;t always read the same.  The seminarian told me that Paul is never in conflict with the Gospels, that Paul has a more complete understanding of the Kingdom than the Gospels portray.  I asked bluntly if he felt that Paul&#8217;s writings trumped the Gospels and he said &#8220;Paul &#8216;completes&#8217; what Jesus started in the Gospels&#8221;.  I found that very interesting.  In your evangelical circles, do you ever hear this assertion?  </p>
<p>For me, I agree wholeheartedly with you that we must read through the lens of Jesus&#8217; commandment of love and it sharpens the focus on the rest of the Scriptures.</p>
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		By: Anita Mathias		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 08:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anitamathias.com/2012/10/09/in-which-i-trace-my-evolving-views-on-gay-christians/#comment-18603&quot;&gt;Emma&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Emma, 

I myself have moved beyond the letter of scripture to seeking the Spirit of Christ. I think the Gospels are the most revolutionary and mind-altering part of the Bible, and I like to interpret the Bible in the light of the Gospels, and in the light of Jesus. That way we can seek the big picture and Jesus rather than get tangled up in single sentences from Leviticus or Paul. Here&#039;s a post on it http://anitamathias.com/blog/2012/10/18/beyond-the-letter-of-scripture-we-need-the-spirit-to-help-us-interpret-the-word-we-need-jesus/#comment-17347

I think the more one studies the Gospels, the more one takes on the coloration of Jesus--who was surprising, flexible, and had little time for rigid adherence to the law, or prescriptive sentences of Scripture (as represented by the Pharisees and scribes)  or rigid ways of seeing the world he created.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anitamathias.com/2012/10/09/in-which-i-trace-my-evolving-views-on-gay-christians/#comment-18603">Emma</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Emma, </p>
<p>I myself have moved beyond the letter of scripture to seeking the Spirit of Christ. I think the Gospels are the most revolutionary and mind-altering part of the Bible, and I like to interpret the Bible in the light of the Gospels, and in the light of Jesus. That way we can seek the big picture and Jesus rather than get tangled up in single sentences from Leviticus or Paul. Here&#8217;s a post on it <a href="http://anitamathias.com/blog/2012/10/18/beyond-the-letter-of-scripture-we-need-the-spirit-to-help-us-interpret-the-word-we-need-jesus/#comment-17347" rel="ugc">http://anitamathias.com/blog/2012/10/18/beyond-the-letter-of-scripture-we-need-the-spirit-to-help-us-interpret-the-word-we-need-jesus/#comment-17347</a></p>
<p>I think the more one studies the Gospels, the more one takes on the coloration of Jesus&#8211;who was surprising, flexible, and had little time for rigid adherence to the law, or prescriptive sentences of Scripture (as represented by the Pharisees and scribes)  or rigid ways of seeing the world he created.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 01:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I struggle with the issue of homosexuality and Christianity. Struggle, because in my heart I do not believe being gay is wrong. As I have recently discovered, yet again all of my friends are gay or lesbian. Most people think I am, too. Yet, despite studying queer theology at university, my reading has been almost entirely rather conservative since (I like reading extremists, a habit I am trying to break) and it has influenced my thinking. Now I tend to look for proof-texts all the time, and it is a problem. It also gives me much angst about women&#039;s place in the church and home, which again goes against my heart-belief that we are all equal.
I am trying to move out of the rigid adherence to the Bible - or not to the bible but to certain texts, to certain ways of viewing it, which I feel are hampering my spiritual growth. I started out rather radical and seem to have become evangelical without noticing!
I appreciated this post, and I like the story of the methodist ministers!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I struggle with the issue of homosexuality and Christianity. Struggle, because in my heart I do not believe being gay is wrong. As I have recently discovered, yet again all of my friends are gay or lesbian. Most people think I am, too. Yet, despite studying queer theology at university, my reading has been almost entirely rather conservative since (I like reading extremists, a habit I am trying to break) and it has influenced my thinking. Now I tend to look for proof-texts all the time, and it is a problem. It also gives me much angst about women&#8217;s place in the church and home, which again goes against my heart-belief that we are all equal.<br />
I am trying to move out of the rigid adherence to the Bible &#8211; or not to the bible but to certain texts, to certain ways of viewing it, which I feel are hampering my spiritual growth. I started out rather radical and seem to have become evangelical without noticing!<br />
I appreciated this post, and I like the story of the methodist ministers!</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anita Mathias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anitamathias.com/2012/10/09/in-which-i-trace-my-evolving-views-on-gay-christians/#comment-18601&quot;&gt;David Anderson&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks much, David :-). As Brian McLaren says most of us will have to wrestle with this issue through the family and friends God brings into our lives.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anitamathias.com/2012/10/09/in-which-i-trace-my-evolving-views-on-gay-christians/#comment-18601">David Anderson</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks much, David :-). As Brian McLaren says most of us will have to wrestle with this issue through the family and friends God brings into our lives.</p>
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