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	Comments on: Rolling with the Pentecostals. And Listening to Heidi Baker	</title>
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		By: Anita Mathias		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anita Mathias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2013 07:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anitamathias.com/2012/08/23/rolling-with-the-pentecostals-and-listening-to-heidi-baker-at-river-camp/#comment-22137&quot;&gt;Elliot Morrison&lt;/a&gt;.

There are many ways to honour God, and many expressions of spirituality. Heidi&#039;s life honours God!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anitamathias.com/2012/08/23/rolling-with-the-pentecostals-and-listening-to-heidi-baker-at-river-camp/#comment-22137">Elliot Morrison</a>.</p>
<p>There are many ways to honour God, and many expressions of spirituality. Heidi&#8217;s life honours God!</p>
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		By: Elliot Morrison		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elliot Morrison]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Sep 2013 16:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Went to a Heidi Baker meeting in Glasgow about 5 yrs ago. She was greeted like a rock star.......behaved on the platform like a 1970s hippy spaced out on drugs. For me the whole experience was not God honouring.

Elliot]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Went to a Heidi Baker meeting in Glasgow about 5 yrs ago. She was greeted like a rock star&#8230;&#8230;.behaved on the platform like a 1970s hippy spaced out on drugs. For me the whole experience was not God honouring.</p>
<p>Elliot</p>
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		By: Anita Mathias		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anita Mathias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anitamathias.com/2012/08/23/rolling-with-the-pentecostals-and-listening-to-heidi-baker-at-river-camp/#comment-18215&quot;&gt;John Vagabond&lt;/a&gt;.

Know of him. We&#039;re in the same church, but it&#039;s a large one. Yes, do subscribe, thanks! :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anitamathias.com/2012/08/23/rolling-with-the-pentecostals-and-listening-to-heidi-baker-at-river-camp/#comment-18215">John Vagabond</a>.</p>
<p>Know of him. We&#8217;re in the same church, but it&#8217;s a large one. Yes, do subscribe, thanks! 🙂</p>
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		By: John Vagabond		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Vagabond]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anitamathias.com/2012/08/23/rolling-with-the-pentecostals-and-listening-to-heidi-baker-at-river-camp/#comment-18214&quot;&gt;Anita Mathias&lt;/a&gt;.

Going to sign up with you if that&#039;s OK - it seems we&#039;re singing from similar hymnsheets. My blog&#039;s a bit more eclectic but if you&#039;d like to take a look, here it is...http://www.soupyskyepraise.blogspot.com. D&#039;you know Phil Lawson-Johnston, btw?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anitamathias.com/2012/08/23/rolling-with-the-pentecostals-and-listening-to-heidi-baker-at-river-camp/#comment-18214">Anita Mathias</a>.</p>
<p>Going to sign up with you if that&#8217;s OK &#8211; it seems we&#8217;re singing from similar hymnsheets. My blog&#8217;s a bit more eclectic but if you&#8217;d like to take a look, here it is&#8230;<a href="http://www.soupyskyepraise.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.soupyskyepraise.blogspot.com</a>. D&#8217;you know Phil Lawson-Johnston, btw?</p>
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		By: Anita Mathias		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anita Mathias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://anitamathias.com/2012/08/23/rolling-with-the-pentecostals-and-listening-to-heidi-baker-at-river-camp/#comment-18213&quot;&gt;John Vagabond&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey amazing. I would love to write and blog like that. Don&#039;t say anything until God gives you something to say. And can you imagine how much time that would save--and how much weight and validity our words would have!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://anitamathias.com/2012/08/23/rolling-with-the-pentecostals-and-listening-to-heidi-baker-at-river-camp/#comment-18213">John Vagabond</a>.</p>
<p>Hey amazing. I would love to write and blog like that. Don&#8217;t say anything until God gives you something to say. And can you imagine how much time that would save&#8211;and how much weight and validity our words would have!</p>
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		By: John Vagabond		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Vagabond]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Came across this via a link to Cwmbran and the outpouring there.Interesting about Heidi - she never starts till she&#039;s ready. I was at a meeting in Jerusalem that she was speaking at and she just didn&#039;t get going till the anointing fell. it was as if she was marking time, waiting for her turn to contribute. A remarkable lady.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Came across this via a link to Cwmbran and the outpouring there.Interesting about Heidi &#8211; she never starts till she&#8217;s ready. I was at a meeting in Jerusalem that she was speaking at and she just didn&#8217;t get going till the anointing fell. it was as if she was marking time, waiting for her turn to contribute. A remarkable lady.</p>
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		By: Rachel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rachel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 18:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey, thanks for that link. My experience was quite different, in that I was a teen when I was there, so it took a different form and a long time to even realize what went wrong. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think the thing I miss the most about the Pentecostals is the expectation of God&#039;s immediate help and the excitement in watching how that happens.&lt;br /&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, thanks for that link. My experience was quite different, in that I was a teen when I was there, so it took a different form and a long time to even realize what went wrong. </p>
<p>I think the thing I miss the most about the Pentecostals is the expectation of God&#39;s immediate help and the excitement in watching how that happens.</p>
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		By: Anita Mathias		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anita Mathias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Rachel,&lt;br /&gt;I know what you mean about &quot;survivor.&quot; I myself would never go to a charismatic church again, because I experienced spiritual abuse http://dreamingbeneaththespires.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/discovering-god-in-land-of-suffering.html&lt;br /&gt; in the last one I attended. And I like firm, rational scripture-based theology.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But they have the missing dimension of joy, spontaneity, playfulness, openness to the spirit, to dreams and visions which is also part of my spirituality, and so going to Charismatic festivals feeds that part of my soul and keeps it alive.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ah, balance! We will have it in heaven, all elements of the rainbow in perfect balance!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rachel,<br />I know what you mean about &#8220;survivor.&#8221; I myself would never go to a charismatic church again, because I experienced spiritual abuse <a href="http://dreamingbeneaththespires.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/discovering-god-in-land-of-suffering.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://dreamingbeneaththespires.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/discovering-god-in-land-of-suffering.html</a><br /> in the last one I attended. And I like firm, rational scripture-based theology.</p>
<p>But they have the missing dimension of joy, spontaneity, playfulness, openness to the spirit, to dreams and visions which is also part of my spirituality, and so going to Charismatic festivals feeds that part of my soul and keeps it alive.</p>
<p>Ah, balance! We will have it in heaven, all elements of the rainbow in perfect balance!</p>
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		By: Rachel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rachel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The &quot;charismatic church&quot; survivor in me snorts: Healing? Cities? Nations? Angels? Come on. Prove it. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the quiet voice inside me questions: Is this healthy doubt, or really just envy? Yeah, probably envy, because I really do believe that God could do those things. Still, I can&#039;t listen to that kind of thing anymore. It&#039;s interesting to read your take on it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;charismatic church&#8221; survivor in me snorts: Healing? Cities? Nations? Angels? Come on. Prove it. </p>
<p>But the quiet voice inside me questions: Is this healthy doubt, or really just envy? Yeah, probably envy, because I really do believe that God could do those things. Still, I can&#39;t listen to that kind of thing anymore. It&#39;s interesting to read your take on it.</p>
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